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		<title>By: Monty Kalsi</title>
		<link>http://www.yojibee.com/2009/02/06/certifications-i-did-it/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty Kalsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann,

I agree with your post here. During my career as an SAP consultant, I have seen excellent non-certified SAP consultants and at the same time poorly performing certified SAP consultants. 

The problem is that certifications alone do not guarantee that you will perform well. And most of the SAP certified institutes rely on folks who are good on instructions but don&#039;t have the real life experience. 

Simply because folks with real good experience and understanding of SAP prefer to do consulting as opposed to training.

Like Fays mentioned above it is the real life project experience and enrichment that creates a good consultant and value to the client. So the question then becomes how you tap the knowledge of an experienced consultant to enrich the learning of another.

 As I feel consultants can provide the best training and knowledge if it is easy enough to do and there is a financial incentive to do the same.

It is for this reason, I started SpinAct to share and redistribute one&#039;s knowledge in a productized way.

See my earlier post on this:

http://blog.spinact.com/knowledge_as_a_service/2008/11/users-rate-sap-consultants-and-partners-online.html

Look forward to having you all on SpinAct as we build the Knowledge Marketplace of the future.

http://www.spinact.com/account/signup

Best,
Monty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<p>I agree with your post here. During my career as an SAP consultant, I have seen excellent non-certified SAP consultants and at the same time poorly performing certified SAP consultants. </p>
<p>The problem is that certifications alone do not guarantee that you will perform well. And most of the SAP certified institutes rely on folks who are good on instructions but don&#8217;t have the real life experience. </p>
<p>Simply because folks with real good experience and understanding of SAP prefer to do consulting as opposed to training.</p>
<p>Like Fays mentioned above it is the real life project experience and enrichment that creates a good consultant and value to the client. So the question then becomes how you tap the knowledge of an experienced consultant to enrich the learning of another.</p>
<p> As I feel consultants can provide the best training and knowledge if it is easy enough to do and there is a financial incentive to do the same.</p>
<p>It is for this reason, I started SpinAct to share and redistribute one&#8217;s knowledge in a productized way.</p>
<p>See my earlier post on this:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.spinact.com/knowledge_as_a_service/2008/11/users-rate-sap-consultants-and-partners-online.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.spinact.com/knowledge_as_a_service/2008/11/users-rate-sap-consultants-and-partners-online.html</a></p>
<p>Look forward to having you all on SpinAct as we build the Knowledge Marketplace of the future.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spinact.com/account/signup" rel="nofollow">http://www.spinact.com/account/signup</a></p>
<p>Best,<br />
Monty</p>
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		<title>By: Fays</title>
		<link>http://www.yojibee.com/2009/02/06/certifications-i-did-it/comment-page-1/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>Fays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had a similar experience Anne.

I took the SOA 200 training, which is rather conceptual, as it relates to Enterprise Architecture.

For this course, we had two guys doing the training. One, which is a colleague, and he&#039;s fine, he knows his job. For 2.5 days we&#039;ve learned interesting stuff. And then we had another guy, from a partner consulting company.

This guy had no damn idea about what he was talking about. At a point, he ended up showing us his own slides instead of the regular training content. It was a great waste. And the training was given within SAP.

I wondered if it was me, as I had a rather good knowledge of the area, or did the other participants have the same feeling. I was conforted to have a similar feedback.

SAP Training&#039;s excuse: course is too recent, there are not enough people who master these things.

The certification in itself assesses your capacity in assessing information learned and reusing it. But I think, what people might expect from a training is above what&#039;s in the book and comes from the trainer&#039;s experience. That&#039;s the real enrichment that allows you to get sometimes better at doing a specific task, as you take advantage from this experience. But this is definitely not written in the certificate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had a similar experience Anne.</p>
<p>I took the SOA 200 training, which is rather conceptual, as it relates to Enterprise Architecture.</p>
<p>For this course, we had two guys doing the training. One, which is a colleague, and he&#8217;s fine, he knows his job. For 2.5 days we&#8217;ve learned interesting stuff. And then we had another guy, from a partner consulting company.</p>
<p>This guy had no damn idea about what he was talking about. At a point, he ended up showing us his own slides instead of the regular training content. It was a great waste. And the training was given within SAP.</p>
<p>I wondered if it was me, as I had a rather good knowledge of the area, or did the other participants have the same feeling. I was conforted to have a similar feedback.</p>
<p>SAP Training&#8217;s excuse: course is too recent, there are not enough people who master these things.</p>
<p>The certification in itself assesses your capacity in assessing information learned and reusing it. But I think, what people might expect from a training is above what&#8217;s in the book and comes from the trainer&#8217;s experience. That&#8217;s the real enrichment that allows you to get sometimes better at doing a specific task, as you take advantage from this experience. But this is definitely not written in the certificate.</p>
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		<title>By: yojibee</title>
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		<dc:creator>yojibee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might be that it is not 100% fair.
But I also don&#039;t think it is 100% fair to ask someone to pay 7.000 Euros for a training and then don&#039;t deliver. The quality of the education was so bad, I have really only been able to use around 10% of what I learned. Out of 15 in my class, only 4 ever got certified and I am the only one who works with SAP today.

Of course SAP can&#039;t take the whole blame for this, but they have certified this institute for these kinds of trainings. 
There is certainly room for some improvement here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be that it is not 100% fair.<br />
But I also don&#8217;t think it is 100% fair to ask someone to pay 7.000 Euros for a training and then don&#8217;t deliver. The quality of the education was so bad, I have really only been able to use around 10% of what I learned. Out of 15 in my class, only 4 ever got certified and I am the only one who works with SAP today.</p>
<p>Of course SAP can&#8217;t take the whole blame for this, but they have certified this institute for these kinds of trainings.<br />
There is certainly room for some improvement here.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Koehntopp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Koehntopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if that&#039;s 100% fair - the certifications and trainings are created to suit a wide group of people.
I passed the 2004 Netweaver Security Certification, and I&#039;d say I have used at least 80% of what was in the underlying trainings (ADM940, ADM950, ADM960).
There sure is a wide variety of courses and certifications, and not all will work for all kinds of people. Finding and taking the ones that do is the real challenge.
And the only valid certification you can get is through customer feedback (also true for trainers, btw.). 
Unfortunately that is a lot harder to transport in a certificate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if that&#8217;s 100% fair &#8211; the certifications and trainings are created to suit a wide group of people.<br />
I passed the 2004 Netweaver Security Certification, and I&#8217;d say I have used at least 80% of what was in the underlying trainings (ADM940, ADM950, ADM960).<br />
There sure is a wide variety of courses and certifications, and not all will work for all kinds of people. Finding and taking the ones that do is the real challenge.<br />
And the only valid certification you can get is through customer feedback (also true for trainers, btw.).<br />
Unfortunately that is a lot harder to transport in a certificate&#8230;</p>
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